Project name: AL3283
Date of interview: 26 October 2009
Location of interview: Centurion, Pretoria
Language/s of interview: Afrikaans
Length of interview: 2 minutes 8 seconds
Name of Interviewer: De Wet Potgieter
Name of interviewee/s: Colonel Lucas Ras
Name of translator (if any): De Wet Potgieter
Name of transcriber:
Notes on access and use (if any):
Audio file name/s of interview: AL3283_PTA_RASLUCAS_20091026_1

De Wet Dit is Maandag 26 Oktober 2009 Centurion. Ek sit hier met kolonel Lucas Ras, voormalige colonel in die veiligheidstak se D-tak eenheid. Ek wil net graag vandag met hom gesels oor die verregses, hoe effektief hulle was en hoe hulle geїnfiltreer was deur die veiligheidspolisie. Lucas, kan jy net vir ons vertel en noem weer vir my D-tak, wat het dit voor gestaan.
Lucas Ek persoonlik was betrokke by die veiligheidstak met die insameling meer aan die intelligensie se kant. Dit het gegaan oor regse bedrywighede asook linkse bedrywighede. Die regses, die AWB onder meer, ander regse organisasies.
My persoonlike ondervinding in hierdie tyd was dat hulle nie baie goed georganiseerd was nie, maar baie rondgeval het. Sou hulle ʼn terreurdaad uitvoer sou ons binne die volgende twee dae, of in party gevalle dieselfde aand, die inligting kry en opvolg en sal daar arrestasies binne twee of drie dae uitgevoer word om die skuldiges aan te keer.
Wat ons ondervind het was dat, ons het gespot met die brandewyn-en-Coke squad, sou hulle ʼn bom plant het hulle in ʼn kroeg bymekaar gekom en ʼn paar drankies gaan drink en brag dan oor wat hulle gedoen het.
ʼn Ander geval is die Boere-krisisaksie wat ʼn totale ander storie was. Die mense was baie meer georganiseerd, hulle geledere is nie maklik geїnfiltreer nie en in my tyd by die veiligheidstak het ons omtrent geen inligting van die Boere-krisisaksie gekry nie.
Baie in teenstelling wat die ander regse organisasies en die AWB was

Project name: AL3283 Date of interview: 26 October 2009 Location of interview: Centurion, Pretoria Language/s of interview: Afrikaans Length of interview: 2 minutes 8 seconds Name of Interviewer: De Wet Potgieter Name of interviewee/s: Colonel Lucas Ras Name of translator (if any): De Wet Potgieter Name of transcriber: Notes on access and use (if any): Audio file name/s of interview: AL3283_PTA_RASLUCAS_20091026_1 De Wet It is Monday 26 October 2009, Centurion. I am here with Colonel Lucas Ras, a former colonel in die security branch’s D branch unit. I would like to talk to him about the far right, how effective they were and how they were infiltrated by the security police. Lucas, please tell us about this and what D branch stood for. Lucas I was personally involved with the security branch in gathering information on the intelligence side. It was all about right wing activities as well as on the left wing. The right wing, the Afrikaner Weerstandsbeweging (AWB) and other right wing organisations. My personal evaluation at the time was that they were not really very effective and not well organised. When they committed a terrorist attack we were in a position to gather sufficient information to catch them within several days and in some instances within hours. We were always referring to the right wingers as the “brandy and coke squads”. Soon after they planted a bomb the culprits would gather with their buddies in a pub boasting about their deeds. Another case was the Boer Crisis Action. A total different kettle of fish from the other right wing organisations. These people were well organised, it was very difficult to infiltrate into their ranks and the security branch virtually had no intelligence on their activities during my time of service. Very much in stark contrast of the rest of the right wing organisations.